You have a very good header on the car right now... why #### that up?

You don't want ANY other celica header.

If you REALLY want to swap it out... then get an Ebay 5sfe header (Surewin) and put it on. You'll have to modify the rest of the exhaust to make it fit.

You can also get the tubular manifold off of late 90s camrys.

With either option, you'll lose some low end power, and MIGHT gain some top end. But probably not.

 

Do you still need pics or info for your 3S-GE install? Also, there is no manufactured header for the 3S-GE. I am currently in the process of having a stainless header back exhaust made.(3" pipe straight back to the muffler)(no cat)

 

keep the stocker man, i have one from a 89 gts on my 90 gt

 

Pacesetter makes a header for the car...

 

Pacesetter only makes one for the 3S-FE, which may or may not bolt to the head on a 3S-GE. I used to have an '89 ST also and I think that the 3S-FE has a cat on the manifold, it also has a different fr. pipe and exhaust. I have been doing searches and research for years! check my mods!
You have a 5S-FE on your '90 GT don't you?

 

I am going to be selling some of my factory '89 GT-S parts:

Exhaust manifold
Fully chromed intake manifold
brand new Fr. pipe

Random Technologies- High flow cat.

HKS stainless cat back system

New NOS fuel solenoid
and a lot of new factory sensors.

Probably a lot of other parts too.

 

QUOTE (89 GT-S Custom @ Mar 10 2009, 04:01 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=178479

Pacesetter only makes one for the 3S-FE, which may or may not bolt to the head on a 3S-GE. I used to have an '89 ST also and I think that the 3S-FE has a cat on the manifold, it also has a different fr. pipe and exhaust. I have been doing searches and research for years! check my mods!
You have a 5S-FE on your '90 GT don't you?[/B]

It does bolt to the 3sge. 3sfe/3sge/5sfe exhaust manifolds are interchangeable, as in, they all bolt to the head.

You talking to me or Jay? We both have 5sfes.

 

QUOTE (concealer404 @ Mar 11 2009, 08:30 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=178497

QUOTE (89 GT-S Custom @ Mar 10 2009, 04:01 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=178479

Pacesetter only makes one for the 3S-FE, which may or may not bolt to the head on a 3S-GE. I used to have an '89 ST also and I think that the 3S-FE has a cat on the manifold, it also has a different fr. pipe and exhaust. I have been doing searches and research for years! check my mods!
You have a 5S-FE on your '90 GT don't you?[/B]

It does bolt to the 3sge. 3sfe/3sge/5sfe exhaust manifolds are interchangeable, as in, they all bolt to the head.

You talking to me or Jay? We both have 5sfes.
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It will bolt to the head but will it fit over the starter? I thought you said you had an '89 GT-S, that would be a 3S-GE not a 5S unless you did a swap.(but why would you do that?)

Since i am new, i don't know anyone's name.

 

i have a 89 gts 3sge stock exhaust manifold on my 5sfe and i love it.

 

QUOTE (89 GT-S Custom @ Mar 11 2009, 02:48 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=178510

QUOTE (concealer404 @ Mar 11 2009, 08:30 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=178497

QUOTE (89 GT-S Custom @ Mar 10 2009, 04:01 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=178479

Pacesetter only makes one for the 3S-FE, which may or may not bolt to the head on a 3S-GE. I used to have an '89 ST also and I think that the 3S-FE has a cat on the manifold, it also has a different fr. pipe and exhaust. I have been doing searches and research for years! check my mods!
You have a 5S-FE on your '90 GT don't you?[/B]

It does bolt to the 3sge. 3sfe/3sge/5sfe exhaust manifolds are interchangeable, as in, they all bolt to the head.

You talking to me or Jay? We both have 5sfes.
[/B][/QUOTE]
It will bolt to the head but will it fit over the starter? I thought you said you had an '89 GT-S, that would be a 3S-GE not a 5S unless you did a swap.(but why would you do that?)

Since i am new, i don't know anyone's name.
[/B][/QUOTE]

I'd swap a 5sfe into an 89 GTS... it'd be faster. WAY more torque, bigger powerband. But that's just me.

I would imagine it would fit over the starter... starter in a different place for some reason on your car? Starter doesn't even come close to exhaust manifold on the 5sfe...

I have a 92 GT.

 

Addition to how the starter fits on the car: it bolts to the trans bellhouse with the bulk of starter going beside the engine block. therefor the manifold/header will have to clear the starter motor. I hope that helps. I have found one pair to clam to fit this year gt with a s3ge motor so there is hope.

 

I guess i didn't realize it was an issue on the 4th gens.... sounds the same as it mounts into my car, and it doesn't even come close to the header.

Do me a huge favor and post a pic?

 

QUOTE (concealer404 @ Mar 13 2009, 03:04 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=178588

I guess i didn't realize it was an issue on the 4th gens.... sounds the same as it mounts into my car, and it doesn't even come close to the header.

Do me a huge favor and post a pic?[/B]

That is what i was talking about, i don't think it will fit. I am not that familiar with the 5S even though i've worked on tons of them!

On the 4th gen (manual that i have), the starter is under the manifold against the block!
On the 3S the starter is on the trans side.(i believe)
Where is the starter located on the 5S?

 

I have some pics of the problem I am having at the below site. I have one with just the motor and one with the starter just in place and then one pic of starter with American manifold and you can see it just does not fit and one pic with the Jap manifold and it does fit but o2 sensors are different, one pic of American manifold with a tape measure to show just how little clearance there is between manifold and engine block. I also have a pic of the two manifolds the one with the large exhaust port is the American version and the other one is the Jap version and of course I would had rather used the large port one. I hope this brings some answers as this really makes no sense as why there is no clearance with the American manifold and can anyone tell me why this is or what has to be changed.


http://photobucket.com/twillie2460

















http://photobucket.com/twillie2460

 

i think you have a 5th gen manifold for the first one or at least it is the same as the stock ones on the 5th gens with CA emissions, with that said that large port is for a built in cat. the second one is way better, do you have the 2-1 piping that bolts on to the header? the o2 sensors should be the same, do you have a 2 bolt o2 sensor or just one that screws in?

 

QUOTE (jaydog82 @ Mar 14 2009, 08:34 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=178606

i think you have a 5th gen manifold for the first one or at least it is the same as the stock ones on the 5th gens with CA emissions, with that said that large port is for a built in cat. the second one is way better, do you have the 2-1 piping that bolts on to the header? the o2 sensors should be the same, do you have a 2 bolt o2 sensor or just one that screws in?[/B]

I do not have any other exhaust connections as they where at some point stole I bought the car with both motors out and I have to amit that I am new to building this I work mostly with HD's and older trucks and cars. This is my sons project that I am putting together for. So you think the manifold with the two ports is better than the one large port manifold and the o2 sensors are not the same they both have two bolts but the sensors are of different size and bolts do not line up. The manifold with the two small ports is supposed to be from the Jap 3sge motor and the o2 sensor in this one was cut at some point I am sure when the motor was pulled. I can use that manifold as long as I can find the parts to complete the exhaust and find a 02 sensor that will work in it as long as it hooks up with the wiring. So I will take any help that you may provide.
Thanks

 

OK SO STOCK EXHAUST MANIFOLD FROM MY 90 5SFE

THE STOCK EXHAUST MANIFOLD FROM A 89 CELICA GTS WITH A 3SGE AND PART OF THE LOWER EXHAUST PIPING THAT BOLTS TO THE MANIFOLD

I HOPE THIS HELPS

 

QUOTE (jaydog82 @ Mar 15 2009, 01:12 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=178611

OK SO STOCK EXHAUST MANIFOLD FROM MY 90 5SFE

THE STOCK EXHAUST MANIFOLD FROM A 89 CELICA GTS WITH A 3SGE AND PART OF THE LOWER EXHAUST PIPING THAT BOLTS TO THE MANIFOLD

I HOPE THIS HELPS[/B]

Hey Jay,
It looks in the picture that your starter is on the L/ side (bolted from the trans side).
If it is, that is what i was talking about. The 3S-GE has the starter under the manifold, bolted from the engine side. The arc of the 3S or 5S don't clear the starter!

 

the arc of your manifold with the 2 smaller holes does not fit? if that is the case then maybe the manifolds are from the wrong years. the manifold i have is out of a 89 gts with the 3sge with out ca emissions, and it looks a little different from the one you have (no o2 sensor)

 

QUOTE (jaydog82 @ Mar 15 2009, 07:03 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=178624

the arc of your manifold with the 2 smaller holes does not fit? if that is the case then maybe the manifolds are from the wrong years. the manifold i have is out of a 89 gts with the 3sge with out ca emissions, and it looks a little different from the one you have (no o2 sensor)[/B]

the one with the two small ports will fit but I was told that was the jap version and the other one was the manifold for the 3sge even with the two small ports I will need to find a two down pipe and I would guess it looks like your pic and the o2 sensor on it was cut when engine was pulled. So any good ideas where to find one of thos e 2 down pipes? Not much luck finding one here close anyway, been looking most of the weekend. Also I may be missing a bracket or something as the alt. where the adjustment brace bolts on the lower end doesn't seem to be working out and my two manuals are no help at all.

 

show some pics of the alt. and if you need the 2-1 pipe then you can find it new on line

kragen.com

kinda pricey, but you can probably find it cheaper somewhere else.

 

here is another sit, but there is no pic
partstrain.com

here to

autopartswharehouse.com

 

Jay, can you take a better pic of the top section of your header? That doesn't look anything like any 3sge header i've ever seen in junkyards.....

 

here you go, i pulled it of an 89 gts 5 speed. it was probably not CA emission, it only had one o2 sensor that had 4 wires.

 

I checked with 2kracing, who had no clue. He told me to call OBX. I called them and told them the difference, he said he didn't have engine codes but thinks it will only fit ST/GT!

So like I said there is no manufactured header available for the 3S-GE! (at least in this country, i don't know others)