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I was browsing around on performance websites and looked into trial's website. What they had available was a 3ZZ stroker kit and engine for the 7th generation Celica. I dont know much about it and couldnt much info on it. I was wondering if any of you knew much about them. Could you install the 3ZZ and still use 2ZZ performance parts? Is it a better motor for Celica? I cant find much info on it at all. Thanks guys.

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yes, you can use 2zzge parts. your 1.8 becomes a 2 liter and your compression will be increased, and last i checked it costs an absolute #### load of money.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_ZZ_engine
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3ZZ-FE

The 3ZZ-FE is the 1.6 L (1598 cc) version built in Japan. It is found in Asian Toyota Corolla Altis which is available in countries such as Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and Taiwan. The entire exterior design and chasis is the same as the American Corolla. Bore is 79.0 mm and stroke is 81.5 mm. Max. Output SAE net (kW/rpm) 81/6000. Max. Torque SAE net (Nm/rpm) 150/3800.

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* * * Toyota Corolla (Europe, 109hp)
* * * Toyota Corolla Altis 1.6E (Asian, 110hp)[/B]
Looks like the 2ZZ is a superior engine to me. What exactly are they doing here? Is the 3ZZ just some term Trial came up with to call their stroker kits? That is what it kind of seems like to me. Not too much info on Trial's website, either.
http://www.trial.co.jp/trial-usa/celica/3zz.htm

Looks like it would be waaaaaaaay too expensive like Rob said.


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Is the 3ZZ just some term Trial came up with to call their stroker kits? That is what it kind of seems like to me. Not too much info on Trial's website, either.
http://www.trial.co.jp/trial-usa/celica/3zz.htm
exactly, its a combo of 2zz and 1zz parts so they called it a 3zz stroker. its forged 2zzge pistons with higher compression, a 1zzfe crank shaft, longer stroke than the 2zzge and custom length rods, which they wont speak about because if people had access to them the cost of the kit would seem even more unreasonable than it already does. itd be a very cool kit to have, but obviously the price tag is hefty. i also believe you have to run obscenely high octane fuel, because if i remember correctly the compression ratio is somewhere around 13 to 1.
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lol its like ls vtec in a box....basically ls vtec is the stroke of the ls block (added displacement) with the vtec head (better uptop breathing)...very dangerous motors...only thing it doesnt cost an arm and leg to construct lol
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So basically you can use 2ZZ performance parts for the 3ZZ? Anyone have any idea what kind of numbers the 3ZZ would run on a dyno by any chance?
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From Trial's website:
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After the kit you get about 220 hp and 20 kg of torque. on Japanese high octane gas (105).[/B]
For the price of this kit you could build yourself a nice turbo motor that would put out a lot more power.


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lol its like ls vtec in a box....basically ls vtec is the stroke of the ls block (added displacement) with the vtec head (better uptop breathing)...very dangerous motors...only thing it doesnt cost an arm and leg to construct lol
actually its not really at all like that. this has nothing to do with a head swap. its simply a mechanical increase of displacement. through a longer stroke crank. like a chevy 383, where a 350 grows to 383 through the use of a 400's crankshaft, its not a way to increase the engines rpm capability.

as for the japanese 105 gas, bear in mind that japans fuel rating system is different from ours, and for the most part their 105 is about equivelant to 92 octane here. regardless i agree with doug, thats a lot of scratch to pickup 40hp.
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find someone that has done it and ask them, otherwise its mostly speculation and may be missing some parts

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